No dionysos and Jesus are definately much different. They stand for completely different things. one brings peace and the other a downward spiral of desire.
I’m not explaining this properly, I’m afraid. The fact that I’m Apollonian in thought and action makes it hard for me to fully explain the concepts behind the Dionysian mysteries. Apollon and Dionysos don’t like each other, never have, and probably never will. Apollon teaches “Everything in Moderation” (including time spent with people who have magnets in their noses and purr like kitty-cats when you scratch their chins! You know what I’m talking about *grins*!), while Dionysos teaches that there is moderation in moderation. It’s not a thing which one engages in every day all the time, because it’s not indulgence if you’re doing the same actions over and over again every day and all day. It’s one of those “finding oneself” types of things that one does once every couple of months.
I can't see where Dionysos would get with his code though. Only because from my experience, indulgence is never good. Maybe if he means indulging and then being better off later for having experienced it...or that indulgence opens u up to knoing your other side.
For someone who is so against indulgence, you seem to spend a lot of time indulging your passions for certain things and/or people! For example, I seem to remember the two of us practically orgasming over this extra-yummy pudding the other day (d*mn that pudding was good!)! Perhaps if you spent less time indulging yourself and more time reading the book which I lent you last September you would be able to understand the philosophies of others better *grins especially wide*.
The main beliefs of Jesus on the other hand, are quite peaceful and however ideal, would lead to a perfect state.
His actions and words, however, are much to be desired. Tearing up temples? Making a woman walk miles behind him so that she could be healed all because she wasn’t a Jew? Sounds like your average Joe to me. And the perfect state cannot exist (as Ryan could probably tell you through his discussions about utopianism last year during Mrs. LaFontana’s class!), so “would” is the wrong term to use.
But do you ever really believe that begging your computer to work will actually result in it working?
I was joking, lol! Although I must at least unconsciously believe it, otherwise why would I persist on saying it?
Time is sacrificial you're right. But lets say you volunteer your time at a homeless shelter...Do you worship the shelter or people involved? I think you really just want to do a good deed and help others, not worship them.
If I devoted a considerable amount of my mind body and soul to the cause then yes, I would indeed be worshiping it.
why is a god special to you if anyone or anyhting can be a god? What's the point?
Why do you prefer Fettuccine Alfredo (gods all these references to yummy foods are making me salivate!) when there are so many other pastas out there, and when there are people like KT, for example, who most likely hate it? Why doesn’t everyone just decide to eat one kind of pasta, the “ideal pasta”, and then never think about the other kinds of pastas again out of respect for the “ideal pasta”? It’s because human beings naturally feel attracted to certain things for often inexplicable reasons. Also there is a general consensus in the pagan/heathen community that the gods kind of choose you as well. A “This kid seems nice, I should hang out with her!” type of thing, to put it simply.
Ok so a parent who raped their child and left them to die is worthy of respect? I'm sorry but i could never respect that... I would still love and forgive them, but i couldn't respect them...
As a person this parent frankly shouldn’t be respected. However, the child still has a duty to respect his/her parents, an action I’m assuming your probably equating with the whole love and forgiveness thing. And I believe that there’s some Biblical code which goes something like “Honor thy father and thy mother . . .”
Reconstructionists believe this but what about you? You always say what other people and groups believe. Never yourself...
That is because my opinions are always open to change, and such things don’t form the basis of a good logical and scholarly conversation. However, you are right, and I will make an attempt to explain my views more clearly in the future.
But perfection is like a staircase. It's just that no one chooses to follow it.
On the contrary, I think a lot of people start to climb it. But since one cannot possibly ever climb an infinite number of stairs, no matter how many “lives” one may get, no one has ever reached the end. Goethe’s Faust touches more upon this subject. No matter how far and wide Faust travels, no matter how long he lives, he cannot reach ideal which he seeks.
AND i said:We dont have to worship him but by worshipping him we find perfection. He only wishes us good.
Worshipping god leads to perfection but so would following "good", freeing yourself from desire, and loving all.
I’m not sure which comment of mine this is a response to, could you please explain?
Oh i definately want God in my life, but it's what he teaches that is important. What is the point in worshipping if it just comes out of you like a habit?
Am I really this bad at explaining things, because you don’t seem to be understanding a lot of the points I’m trying to make. Yeah, seeing as you’re not stupid it definitely must be me. Okay, I’ll try again. It’s more than habit, it’s . . . the only word I can think of is behavior. One could easily argue that laughter is a habit, yawning a habit, and crying easily a habit. But do we tell ourselves “Self, you lovely creature you, I am going to laugh for an hour each Sunday, occasionally think about laughing every day the rest of the week, and in the meantime cry for 15 minutes right before I go to bed.” No, these “mannerisms” come out voluntarily and spontaneously, and they are such a part of your life that it’s hard to go one without laughing or crying or feeling. Does laughing grow tired? Does laughing interfere with life? Is it pointless to laugh and feel that kind of joy because it is a mere “habit”?
God should always be a part of your life in every aspect but by loving others, freeing yourself form desire and ego, and workign towards salvation, you are constantly worshipping God. These goals encompass the entity of your life.
This is certainly an aspect of the kind of piety that I and the author of the article are describing, but it’s moving beyond your actions and into your mind and soul.
Praying is important but your actions in life are further important. They are a form of prayer. If someone prayed every other hour yet they lied and stole then what would be the point in praying?
You’re still thinking of prayer as a halting of life, which certain forms of prayer can be. But this kind of prayer is different. You don’t need to halt your life, your being is your prayer. It’s far easier to resist, for example, strangling both John Levoy and Dan Lusczc (Luzzie) when they mock you during Religion class when you are constantly aware of the spiritual forces around you.
Hopefully of course, praying as much as they do would bring them to a more holy state and help them to stop lieing/stealing.
Lol, what I said above before I read this part :)!
lol that's a funny question.
Careful Jess, your sneaking in on the “stupid questions” turf! Lol!
Jesus didn't have to go through the physical crucifixion. We put him through it with our lack of faith. Would a so called "spiritual death" convince the ignorant human race of his presence? He had to become human and suffer a human death in order for the human mind to comprehend. But Jesus ressurection confirms that his physical form is unimportant.
But if God, being the omniscient deity that He is, knew from the beginning, before mankind was even created (for simplicity’s sake I’m using more Biblical terms) that we would be screw-ups, wouldn’t it have always been necessary for Jesus to be crucified? God, before the arrival of Jesus, seemed to have existed only on the spiritual plane, and yet people were aware of His presence. And the resurrection, which seems to have taken place entirely on the spiritual plane, seems to be understandable enough for the modern Christian.
Larissa
Night-time sharpens,
Heightens each sensation . . .
Darkness stirs and
Wakes imagination . . .
Silently the senses
Abandon their defenses . . .
Slowly, gently,
Night unfurls it’s splendor . . .
Grasp it, sense it -
Tremulous and tender . . .
Turn your face away
From the garish light of day
Turn your thoughts away
From cold unfeeling Light . . .
And listen to
The music of the Night . . .
Close your eyes
And surrender to your darkest dreams!
Purge your thoughts
Of the life
You knew before!
Close your eyes,
Let your spirit
Start to soar!
And you’ll live
As you’ve never lived before . . .
Softly, deftly,
Music shall surround you . . .
Feel it, hear it,
Closing in around you . . .
Open up your mind
Let your fantasies unwind,
In this darkness which
You know you cannot fight -
The darkness o f
The music of the Night . . .
Let your mind
Start a journey through a
Strange, new world!
Leave all thoughts
Of the world you knew before!
Let your soul
Take you where you
Long to be!
Only then
Can you belong
To me . .
Floating, falling,
Sweet intoxication!
Touch me, trust me,
Savour each sensation!
Let the dream begin,
Let your darker side give in
To the power of
The music that I write -
The power of the music of the Night . . .
You alone can make my song take flight.
Help me make the music of the Night . . .
The Phantom of the Opera
An example of the ideas behind the Dionysian mysteries. Perhaps Andrew Lloyd Weber can explain it better than I can!
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